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Title: Japan protest over China ship's radar action
Category: World
Posted By: martin14
Date: 2013-02-05 08:43:49
Canadian

[martin14]

gets closer everyday.

[BartSimpson]

martin14 martin14:

gets closer everyday.

I hope it is sooner than later as Japan's military edge against China slips every day.

[ShepherdsDog]

The Chinese aren't going to back down until they receive a serious smack down. Overwhelming force is all they understand because in the great scheme of things they still see themselves as the Middle Kingdom....somehow owed respect by the inferior barbarians inhabiting the rest of the world

[saturn_656]

By all rights they should have gotten that smackdown during the Korean War.

Instead business was left unfinished and we are still today having to deal with the Korean hermit kingdom and the China, who seems to be encroaching on all of its neighbours save for Russia (who knows when it will be their turn).

[bootlegga]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

The Chinese aren't going to back down until they receive a serious smack down. Overwhelming force is all they understand because in the great scheme of things they still see themselves as the Middle Kingdom....somehow owed respect by the inferior barbarians inhabiting the rest of the world

In fairness, many Japanese see themselves as just as superior to everyone else in Asia, even today. A look at popular culture and comments by politicians/public figures showcase a disturbing superiority complex that is at times very racist.

While I'll side with a democracy over a dictatorship, the Japanese aren't exactly innocents in this dispute - they've been almost as aggressive and ridiculous as the Chinese have been.

[BartSimpson]

bootlegga bootlegga:

While I'll side with a democracy over a dictatorship, the Japanese aren't exactly innocents in this dispute - they've been almost as aggressive and ridiculous as the Chinese have been.

Yes, the Japanese claims on Chinese islands have been quite troubling as have been the frequent intrusions into Chinese waters by Japanese nuclear submarines.

Oh, wait.

That was the Chinese doing all that to Japan.

So what have the Japanese done that equates to what China is doing not just to Japan, but to countries all over the SCS?

[bootlegga]

Which nation seized another nation's fishing trawler in 2010?

That was the Japanese - and it re-ignited this entire issue - which until then had largely been a diplomatic issue, not a military one.

$1:

China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs says the issue should be shelved for future settlement and that the two sides should try to prevent it from becoming "a disturbing factor" in bilateral ties.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11341139

Tack on idiots like that loudmouth racist Shintaro Ishihara saying he was going to buy the islands and you suddenly have a major problem.

There is plenty of blame for both sides on this one...

[BartSimpson]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Which nation seized another nation's fishing trawler in 2010?

As I recall Canada did the same thing to a Spanish trawler some years back. Canada was correct in that action and Japan was equally correct in theirs.

bootlegga bootlegga:

That was the Japanese - and it re-ignited this entire issue - which until then had largely been a diplomatic issue, not a military one.

China provoked that confrontation, not Japan.

bootlegga bootlegga:

Tack on idiots like that loudmouth racist Shintaro Ishihara saying he was going to buy the islands and you suddenly have a major problem.

Japanese islands being bought by any Japanese citizen are not a concern for China. Period.

bootlegga bootlegga:

There is plenty of blame for both sides on this one...

I look forward to your being equally concilliatory to China when they demand their fair share of your Arctic territory.

http://thediplomat.com/china-power/brea ... -strategy/

The thugs in Beijing are also snorting around about potential claims on Hawaii and we're not going to be nice about it if they try to enforce them. Likewise, Japan has every right in the world to defend their sovereignty over their territories regardless of China's opinion.

http://www.hawaiiankingdom.info/?p=1143

http://www.hawaiiankingdom.info/?p=1143

[bootlegga]

You can say Japan is blameless all you want - I still disagree. Given that the PRC was excluded from the UN until the 1970s (largely by the US and West), they had no method to dispute the terms of the agreement which kept those islands nominally Japanese.

That's why there is a dispute - had they been at the table in 1951, maybe this mess could have been avoided...

As for China, I'm not too worried. It desperately wants to get on the Arctic Council to get a voice in the region and to do so it must recognize the sovereignty of the members of the Council (of which Canada is);

$1:

The Council was set up in 1996 and has eight members viz. U.S., Canada, Russia, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland and Iceland. There are five permanent observers viz. the U.K., France, the Netherlands, Poland and Italy. Brazil, China, Japan and South Korea have also expressed an interest in becoming permanent members. However, it should be noted that a condition for being granted this status is acceptance of the sovereign rights of the Arctic Council members over the Arctic Ocean.

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/a ... 848280.ece

[BartSimpson]

$1:

However, it should be noted that a condition for being granted this status is acceptance of the sovereign rights of the Arctic Council members over the Arctic Ocean.

Arguably, if China becomes a member then they'd have sovereignty, wouldn't they?

Now I am sure you don't read it that way but I'm pretty comfortable thinking that Beijing will.

[saturn_656]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

$1:

However, it should be noted that a condition for being granted this status is acceptance of the sovereign rights of the Arctic Council members over the Arctic Ocean.

Arguably, if China becomes a member then they'd have sovereignty, wouldn't they?

Now I am sure you don't read it that way but I'm pretty comfortable thinking that Beijing will.

China's status would be that of observer, only members have territorial rights.

I don't see any benefit for having them involved, however.

[BartSimpson]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

$1:

However, it should be noted that a condition for being granted this status is acceptance of the sovereign rights of the Arctic Council members over the Arctic Ocean.

Arguably, if China becomes a member then they'd have sovereignty, wouldn't they?

Now I am sure you don't read it that way but I'm pretty comfortable thinking that Beijing will.

China's status would be that of observer, only members have territorial rights.

I don't see any benefit for having them involved, however.

They do.

[Gunnair]

Locking radars was SOP for the Soviets when I was a few years younger in my RCN career. Didn't hear quite the level of bitching you hear today.

[saturn_656]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Locking radars was SOP for the Soviets when I was a few years younger in my RCN career. Didn't hear quite the level of bitching you hear today.

If China and Japan are beginning behave like the Western Powers and the Warsaw Pact did during the Cold War, IMO that says something.