[QBC]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Curtman Curtman:

I was touting against him until he reversed his position on legalization, and his opponents started their attack campaign.

Now he just represents the best option because he's likeable, and has shown he'll listen to us Liberals when we kick up a fuss.

When we get shitty leaders and bad governments term after term, look towards people like yourself with selfish priorities for the reason why.

You know how crappy things are when a grown man is voting for a man to lead the entire Country based on his stance on weed and that he's "likeable".

Nobody cares about what's good for Canada...it's all about how much money can this guy put in my pocket (or my business) and will s/he allow me to smoke drugs with a clear conscience.

....I have to agree with you. Almost every election now is decided on the public appeal of the leader, not his or her stance on issues or plans for what's best for Canada. If we elect Trudeau Jr. based on that, we deserve what we get.

$1:

Joseph de Maistre: "Every country has the government it deserves (Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite")

[ShepherdsDog]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Curtman Curtman:

I was touting against him until he reversed his position on legalization, and his opponents started their attack campaign.

Now he just represents the best option because he's likeable, and has shown he'll listen to us Liberals when we kick up a fuss.

When we get shitty leaders and bad governments term after term, look towards people like yourself with selfish priorities for the reason why.

You know how crappy things are when a grown man is voting for a man to lead the entire Country based on his stance on weed and that he's "likeable".

Nobody cares about what's good for Canada...it's all about how much money can this guy put in my pocket (or my business) and will s/he allow me to smoke drugs with a clear conscience.

X 5


He'll let me smoke dope so I'll vote for him.....nice priorities

[Gunnair]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Curtman Curtman:

I was touting against him until he reversed his position on legalization, and his opponents started their attack campaign.

Now he just represents the best option because he's likeable, and has shown he'll listen to us Liberals when we kick up a fuss.

When we get shitty leaders and bad governments term after term, look towards people like yourself with selfish priorities for the reason why.

You know how crappy things are when a grown man is voting for a man to lead the entire Country based on his stance on weed and that he's "likeable".

Nobody cares about what's good for Canada...it's all about how much money can this guy put in my pocket (or my business) and will s/he allow me to smoke drugs with a clear conscience.

Well said.

[bootlegga]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

When we get shitty leaders and bad governments term after term, look towards people like yourself with selfish priorities for the reason why.

You know how crappy things are when a grown man is voting for a man to lead the entire Country based on his stance on weed and that he's "likeable".

Nobody cares about what's good for Canada...it's all about how much money can this guy put in my pocket (or my business) and will s/he allow me to smoke drugs with a clear conscience.

Yep - it's a big reason why the CF has been neglected for decades.

Governments promise big, but once leaders realize that promises don't translate into votes, they shift gears and pour money into social spending infrastructure in the ridings that support them (and perhaps ones that might support them) instead.

I've said it here for a long time - Canadians are as guilty as the politicians themselves for the problems we have. We continue to elect people who tell us what we want to hear, instead of the ones who tell us the truth.

[OnTheIce]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Yep - it's a big reason why the CF has been neglected for decades.

Governments promise big, but once leaders realize that promises don't translate into votes, they shift gears and pour money into social spending infrastructure in the ridings that support them (and perhaps ones that might support them) instead.

I've said it here for a long time - Canadians are as guilty as the politicians themselves for the problems we have. We continue to elect people who tell us what we want to hear, instead of the ones who tell us the truth.

IMO, Canadians take 99% of the blame. The politicians are the outcome of our decisions.

We as Canadians have created a climate where politicians have to come out with big promises to "wow" Canadians. We don't want the truth, we want to be sold. We are uneducated politically. We don't care to inform ourselves about our leaders.

I'd have much more respect for a politician that came forth with zero promises but expressed his or her vision for the Country if the situation and finances are right.

[martin14]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Yep - it's a big reason why the CF has been neglected for decades.

Governments promise big, but once leaders realize that promises don't translate into votes, they shift gears and pour money into social spending infrastructure in the ridings that support them (and perhaps ones that might support them) instead.

I've said it here for a long time - Canadians are as guilty as the politicians themselves for the problems we have. We continue to elect people who tell us what we want to hear, instead of the ones who tell us the truth.

IMO, Canadians take 99% of the blame. The politicians are the outcome of our decisions.

We as Canadians have created a climate where politicians have to come out with big promises to "wow" Canadians. We don't want the truth, we want to be sold. We are uneducated politically. We don't care to inform ourselves about our leaders.

I'd have much more respect for a politician that came forth with zero promises but expressed his or her vision for the Country if the situation and finances are right.

Yes, but he would never be elected.

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

When we get shitty leaders and bad governments term after term, look towards people like yourself with selfish priorities for the reason why.

You know how crappy things are when a grown man is voting for a man to lead the entire Country based on his stance on weed and that he's "likeable".

Nobody cares about what's good for Canada...it's all about how much money can this guy put in my pocket (or my business) and will s/he allow me to smoke drugs with a clear conscience.

People will generally act in a way that furthers their own self-interest. That includes voters, and it includes the politicians who want to continue their ride. Voters vote for what is good for them, not what is good for "Canada."

Who knows what's good for Canada. Ask the five political parties with MPs sitting, and you'll get five different answers. You are an aythoritarian right-wionger and I'm a liberatrain left-winger. We likely have very different ideas about what is goood for Canada.

[OnTheIce]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Who knows what's good for Canada. Ask the five political parties with MPs sitting, and you'll get five different answers. You are an aythoritarian right-wionger and I'm a liberatrain left-winger. We likely have very different ideas about what is goood for Canada.

I think if you ask people from all political stripes, their priorities will be much more similar than you think and your perception of me is incorrect.

Classifying me as an authoritarian-Conservative is actually quite funny.

Things that are important to me are health care, the economy, education and our current debt. I think that the majority of Canadians have interest in the 'core' issues but have differences on the 'fridge' issues.

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I think if you ask people from all political stripes, their priorities will be much more similar than you think and your perception of me is incorrect.

Classifying me as an authoritarian-Conservative is actually quite funny.

Really? I didn't think you'd argue the point. You've got that little blue C next to your name. And you aren't libertarian right-wing, since you favour strong governmental intervention policies (prohibition of marijuana, for example, and gun control).

How would you classify yourself?

$1:

Things that are important to me are health care, the economy, education and our current debt. I think that the majority of Canadians have interest in the 'core' issues but have differences on the 'fridge' issues.

The environment is important to a lot of people too--or more generally, the sustainability of our current lifestyle.

[OnTheIce]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Really? I didn't think you'd argue the point. You've got that little blue C next to your name. And you aren't libertarian right-wing, since you favour strong governmental intervention policies (prohibition of marijuana, for example, and gun control).

How would you classify yourself?

So because I have the "little blue C" denoting my support for a single political party, that makes me 'authoritarian'? Are all CPC supporters authoritarian?

I'd consider myself a fiscal conservative.

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

The environment is important to a lot of people too--or more generally, the sustainability of our current lifestyle.

The sustainability of our lifestyle has less do with the environment and more to do with our economy.

[Lemmy]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I'd consider myself a fiscal conservative.

You're a conservative. No qualifiers needed in front of the word "conservative".

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

The sustainability of our lifestyle has less do with the environment and more to do with our economy.

They're two sides of the same coin.

[Jonny_C]

Lemmy Lemmy:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

The sustainability of our lifestyle has less do with the environment and more to do with our economy.

They're two sides of the same coin.

Of course they are, but the statement isn't exclusionary. Both things are factors, only one is more important than the other.

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

So because I have the "little blue C" denoting my support for a single political party, that makes me 'authoritarian'? Are all CPC supporters authoritarian?

As said I assumed you were a conservative based on the little blue C. I assumed you are authoritarian based on your stance on various issues such as drug policy and gun control.

No, as indicated in my previous posts there are right-wingers who are more libertarian. They tend to advocate a small role for government.

$1:

I'd consider myself a fiscal conservative.

Yes, I would say you are a fiscal conservatvie.

$1:

The sustainability of our lifestyle has less do with the environment and more to do with our economy.

So there you go--a minute ago you said that botht he left and right agree on fundamental issues, and here we are disagreeing on a fundamental issue.

[Zipperfish]

Jonny_C Jonny_C:

Lemmy Lemmy:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

The sustainability of our lifestyle has less do with the environment and more to do with our economy.

They're two sides of the same coin.

Of course they are, but the statement isn't exclusionary. Both things are factors, only one is more important than the other.

I agree. After all, in the final anlaysis, you can't eat money.

[Lemmy]

Jonny_C Jonny_C:

Of course they are, but the statement isn't exclusionary. Both things are factors, only one is more important than the other.

That's OTI's contention. I'm not sure they're mutually exclusive enough for one to be more important than the other. The fundamental question in economics (and hence, the economy) is how to use scarce resources most efficiently.