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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:37 am
 


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I read the article, said tha the BC HST would cut capital costs. No mention of how that would work though.


Business gets the HST refunded on them, whereas before it had to pay the PST with no refund.


Read my goddam post. When I build a computer the parts are PST exempt. When I buy bandwidth in bulk, it is PST exempt. There is a certificate on my wall, and I have to include it in every application to a distributor so I get legally exempted. Only the last customer who buys it to use pays the PST.
When I buy a $5 phillips #2 screwdriver to assemble the computer for you, I am the last user so I must pay the 35c PST. THAT changes.
But the $4000 fibre pipe I resell costs me $280 more. Yes at the end of the year, or the end of the quarter or whatever I get it back. But it still costs me $280 more every month.
When the sawmill buys a $10,000,000.00 computerized planer deck from Finland it pays exactly the same as it used to, $11,200,000.00 but will get #1,200,000 refunded instead of only $500,000. A savings. Just like if RBC or Telus spent $1,000,000 to update office furniture it's going to save $70,000.
And if I hire a new assemblyman I'll save a whole 35c on his screwdriver.

The HST causes a 7% drop in purchasing ability to manufacturers that buy parts. It gives an incentive to buy equipment.
That's how it works here in BC, I don't run a business in Ontario. But say I already owned a car assembly plant in BC. I already have the plant and the equipment. On July 1st I have to pay 7% more on every part that comes into the plant. I have to take steps to HAVE 7% more money to buy parts every month (a cost) or I have to buy fewer parts if I can't (less production, less profit).


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:04 pm
 


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The harmonized sales tax, which takes effect July 1, will spark higher wages and create 113,000 new jobs, a new report commissioned by the B.C. government says.


Sure it will, just like the GST created tons more jobs! :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:28 pm
 


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You sure you got that right? You're saying that previously intermediate level business paid PST on supplies and then charged PST on the finish good as well. So every item was tax as many times as it was processes.

That can't be correct. It's supposed to be taxed only once (eventually) and that is paid for by the consumer.[/quote]

Yes, it's one of the complaints about PST - it's a sales tax, ie each time a sale is made, tax is paid. HST is a value added tax.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:47 pm
 


OK Herbie, I stand corrected on manufacturers - of which we have very few in BC, in terms of economic importance. Still they don't lose a lot of money, just defer income for a quarter if I understand you right. But as you mention, companies buying equipment get a huge savings. One of the problems in BC has been the forestry industry not upgrading their plants - this might help them to do so, (as does the higher dollar). A complaint overall about Canada is that our workers are much less productive than say the US - having modern equipment will help in that department. You say equipment will cause workers to be laid off, but we really don't want to be a nation of ditch diggers. There is very little work done without equipment anymore - companies investing in equipment means they have to hire skilled people to operate it. It's one of the problems with spending stimulus money on building infrastructure - it benefits manufacturers of equipment more than the poor joes out of work.

Look at me defending the HST, when I signed the petition against it. It transfers I believe, 2 billion a year from business to consumers - I guess we'll have to see how that works out, and if savings really trickle down to the consumer. But everything I read in the paper is that consumption taxes are the best kind of taxation to have.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:53 pm
 


Consumption taxes are the prefered taxes they say. That's is economists who use little charts to say it'll cause people to increase savings. Increase savings. That's what economists do for a living. I don't know though.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:07 am
 


Crappy HST Day :twisted:


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andyt andyt:
OK Herbie, I stand corrected on manufacturers - of which we have very few in BC, in terms of economic importance. Still they don't lose a lot of money, just defer income for a quarter if I understand you right. But as you mention, companies buying equipment get a huge savings. One of the problems in BC has been the forestry industry not upgrading their plants - this might help them to do so, (as does the higher dollar). A complaint overall about Canada is that our workers are much less productive than say the US - having modern equipment will help in that department. You say equipment will cause workers to be laid off, but we really don't want to be a nation of ditch diggers. There is very little work done without equipment anymore - companies investing in equipment means they have to hire skilled people to operate it. It's one of the problems with spending stimulus money on building infrastructure - it benefits manufacturers of equipment more than the poor joes out of work.

Look at me defending the HST, when I signed the petition against it. It transfers I believe, 2 billion a year from business to consumers - I guess we'll have to see how that works out, and if savings really trickle down to the consumer. But everything I read in the paper is that consumption taxes are the best kind of taxation to have.


The main point of that gripe is it doesn't matter that I get it back. The part or resale service I have to buy today costs me 7% more. Which means that if I reserve $20K a month for purchasing, I now have to reserve $21.4K.
Actually Andy I am a supporter of VAT/GST/HST taxation. In the old fashioned Progressive Conservative way that you tax consumption and reduce tax on income. If there'd been a 1% reduction in income tax, or an increase in the basic exemption, all would be cool in my mind.
They LIED during the election.
They IMPOSED it without input and discussion.
They GAGGED their MLAs from discussing with their constituents, which they don't give a shit about.
They LIE about benefits to small business (tack on the actual loss for me of $80 - $100 a month commission for collecting the PST).
They LIE in the media and say we manufacturers paid PST on everything when we were exempt.
There is NO corresponding reduction in income tax, making this nothing but a straightforward cash grab.
SOMEONE said something to the Governor of neighbouring Washington State, who's tax code said tourists from provinces with less than 3% sales tax would be able for refunds, the HST was federal so there BC residents will qualify and boost tourism in Washington State. Then SNAP! reversed that decision saying the State needs the revenue (but Albertans still qualify!).
NEXT a business lobby files court action to test the validity of the HST (to make sure it goes through and they get their breaks) which represents only the HUGEST businesses in the province, not one small business is in the action.

I run a tiny little business in a tiny little town. Guys like me are the only ones hiring and making jobs, and they've added work to my job. Jeez, I'd love to take 12% of the gross for ME, I do all the bloody work. But now they even snatched the token commission and reduced me, the boss, into being an "indentured reven-ooer" for them! Fuck that, the lowest paid CRA worker makes double what I do, gets paid vacations, leaves, stats and a fat gov't pension. No wonder we hate civil servants.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:48 pm
 


I hear ya Herbie. But they did raise the basic exemption, maybe reduce that tax rate a bit too. That's for this year, and supposedly when they enacted that they weren't expecting the HST. Supposedly next year there will be further tax reductions.

But not matter. Even if it was the "best tax on earth, right here," the way they brought it in is enough for them to deserve to be kicked out of office. They've gotten too smug, been in too long. I actually voted for Campbell, in his riding, first time out. But after I saw him going after seniors and other low income people to try to balance his budget, never again.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:56 pm
 


So I went and got a Haircut today. Told the Hair Dresser/Barber that I waited until this day to pay the HST. She gave me a 10% Discount!! :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:26 pm
 


Gasoline jumped 10 to 14 cents in Northwestern Ontario today.

Just a little Canada Day gift from our compulsive liar premier McGuinty.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:40 pm
 


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Gasoline jumped 10 to 14 cents in Northwestern Ontario today.

Just a little Canada Day gift from our compulsive liar premier McGuinty.


Even in your misery your still better off than we are. Although ours only rose from 109.9 to 115.9 thanks to the HST and that everloved BC Liberal Environmental tax, at least you're getting some bribe money from McGuinty.

The only thing our drunk driving Premier has given us is a smile and no more legislature till next spring.

Thanks Gordo, your just the best.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:54 pm
 


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saturn_656 saturn_656:
Gasoline jumped 10 to 14 cents in Northwestern Ontario today.

Just a little Canada Day gift from our compulsive liar premier McGuinty.


Even in your misery your still better off than we are. Although ours only rose from 109.9 to 115.9 thanks to the HST and that everloved BC Liberal Environmental tax, at least you're getting some bribe money from McGuinty.

The only thing our drunk driving Premier has given us is a smile and no more legislature till next spring.

Thanks Gordo, your just the best.

(sarcasm off)


Being up North, the prices at our pumps exceed 115 cents per litre, or at least they do as of today.

Your enviro tax stinks, but you lucked out with gasoline as I read that it is exempt from the HST in BC.

Needless to say, residents of both provinces are getting hosed. The rebate checks are McGuinty's attempt to bribe some support out of the electorate as I believe we have an election next year.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:08 pm
 


You're right. It's good to know that our gas only went up because of Gordo's Enviro Tax and good old fashioned Oil Company greed. :evil:


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:17 pm
 


Gas stayed the same here. Smokes went up 72c a pack and my bottle of Iced Tea was 25c more.
I drive a 4x4 pickup and gas prices aren't gonna kill me if they go up. :D


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:43 pm
 


As if living in B.C. wasn't expensive enough. I work in retail and in the past year alone, I have seen a number of items almost double in price.


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