[BartSimpson]

The temperatures still haven't been rising. The glaciers in the Himalaya are still there. It still snows in the UK. Sea level hasn't risen by any measurable amount that exceeds any study's margin of error. I don't recall anyone in Manitoba sunbathing in December. The Maldive Islands are still there.

But, yeah, everything is caused by global warming. All evidence proves it. It can't be disproved by any evidence. And no one who advances the notion can posit any disproof of the notion...which renders the notion into faith and not science.

BTW, I also deny that Islam is a religion of peace...another fucked-in-the-head notion that you people 'believe' despite there being no evidence to support the notion.

[Lemmy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The temperatures still haven't been rising. The glaciers in the Himalaya are still there. It still snows in the UK. Sea level hasn't risen by any measurable amount that exceeds any study's margin of error. I don't recall anyone in Manitoba sunbathing in December. The Maldive Islands are still there.

But, yeah, everything is caused by global warming. All evidence proves it. It can't be disproved by any evidence. And no one who advances the notion can posit any disproof of the notion...which renders the notion into faith and not science.

BTW, I also deny that Islam is a religion of peace...another fucked-in-the-head notion that you people 'believe' despite there being no evidence to support the notion.

Let us know when you hear that "POP" sound.

[BartSimpson]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Let us know when you hear that "POP" sound.

I'll be hearing it quite soon. It'll also be accompanied by noticeable amounts of recoil.

[PluggyRug]

[DrCaleb]

Not this shit again.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The temperatures still haven't been rising.

http://www.nature.com/articles/srep19831

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The glaciers in the Himalaya are still there.

http://e360.yale.edu/feature/as_himalay ... lout/2858/

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It still snows in the UK.

Why is it you only concentrate on the 'Warmning' part, but forget the 'Global'?

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... s-conclude

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Sea level hasn't risen by any measurable amount that exceeds any study's margin of error.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/ ... e-of-miami
https://sealevel.nasa.gov/data/data-analysis-tool

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I don't recall anyone in Manitoba sunbathing in December.

By the time it gets that bad, summer temperatures will ensure no one is left.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The Maldive Islands are still there.

Cherry picking.

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/climat ... ng-anxiety

Seriously Bart. Why even argue if you aren't prepared to read and remember for the next time?

[Lemmy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I'll be hearing it quite soon. It'll also be accompanied by noticeable amounts of recoil.

If that's a concern for you, put a big pillow behind your neck. Safety first.

[2Cdo]

Lemmy Lemmy:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I'll be hearing it quite soon. It'll also be accompanied by noticeable amounts of recoil.

If that's a concern for you, put a big pillow behind your neck. Safety first.

I hate to say it, but that made me laugh out loud.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I'm just not so sure I see any proof that CO2 expulsion from the global warming monster is the final explanation as cause.

Oh really? So then you've completed your study on how the relationship between CO2 emissions and rising temperatures isn't in direct accord with the laws of physics?

This aught to be a good read!

It would be a short one. It would show how CO2 can cause an estimate of around 1 degree celsius warming per doubling of CO2 providing there are no environmental positive or negative feedbacks. It would relate the well known truth explaining how that is not a crisis. Greenland would endure.

Then it would go into real world evidence of positive feedbacks necessary to increase that 1 degree warming per doubling of CO2 to crisis levels. There would be nothing in that chapter, because such evidence doesn't exist.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I'm just not so sure I see any proof that CO2 expulsion from the global warming monster is the final explanation as cause.

Oh really? So then you've completed your study on how the relationship between CO2 emissions and rising temperatures isn't in direct accord with the laws of physics?

This aught to be a good read!

It would be a short one. It would show how CO2 can cause an estimate of around 1 degree celsius warming per doubling of CO2 providing there are no environmental positive or negative feedbacks. It would relate the well known truth explaining how that is not a crisis. Greenland would endure.

Then it would go into real world evidence of positive feedbacks necessary to increase that 1 degree warming per doubling of CO2 to crisis levels. There would be nothing in that chapter, because such evidence doesn't exist.

It's pretty easy to design scenarios that don't exist when you define the parameters yourself. There will always be positive or negative environmental feedbacks, mostly in the form of humidity. And that's not going to change outside of lab conditions.

We've already seen a 42% increase in atmospheric CO2, and a 1 degree rise in warming since records have been kept. So that pretty much negates your theory already.

Do you have feelings about any other theories?

[N_Fiddledog]

Lemmy Lemmy:

At least the climate change denial has minimized around here. Most deniers seem to have warmed to the concept. Scratch the pun: "acquiesced.

More like the tendency to observe the obvious. In this case, the obvious being nothing much to worry about is happening.

But yes there are still daily offerings of the odd picture of a skinny polar bear, or cries of "OMG some extra ice melted in Greenland. The sky is falling! We must run and tell the king!"

But who really cares? The hysteria of a prophesied Warmageddon has been debunked for so long now it isn't even fun anymore.

Every once in awhile the cries get too strident, and somebody has to call out the window in his nightcap, "For God's sakes calm the fuck down out there!", but in general it's just not that big a deal anymore, and it's easier just to try to ignore the chicken little idiocy.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It's pretty easy to design scenarios that don't exist when you define the parameters yourself.

Yes, it is, so let's not do that anymore. Very well, what we have in the real world is about 1 degree of warming per doubling of CO2 without feedbacks. No problem. There really is nothing much to see here. Good night.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It's pretty easy to design scenarios that don't exist when you define the parameters yourself.

Yes, it is, so let's not do that anymore. Very well, what we have in the real world is about 1 degree of warming per doubling of CO2 without feedbacks. No problem. There really is nothing much to see here. Good night.

Mmm, no. We have 1 degree of warming, with a 43% increase in CO2. In the real world, there are always feedbacks. They don't disappear because you plug your ears and go "LALALALALA".

[BartSimpson]

Lemmy Lemmy:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I'll be hearing it quite soon. It'll also be accompanied by noticeable amounts of recoil.

If that's a concern for you, put a big pillow behind your neck. Safety first.

Okay, that was funny.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It's pretty easy to design scenarios that don't exist when you define the parameters yourself.

Yes, it is, so let's not do that anymore. Very well, what we have in the real world is about 1 degree of warming per doubling of CO2 without feedbacks. No problem. There really is nothing much to see here. Good night.

Mmm, no. We have 1 degree of warming, with a 43% increase in CO2. In the real world, there are always feedbacks. They don't disappear because you plug your ears and go "LALALALALA".

But who is doing that, with the plugged ears?

I would tell you there are feedbacks. It's a basic, known fact. In the real world most feedbacks are known to be negative. You suggest a little warming burst of positive feedback. I see that. It happened towards the end of the 20th century.

Now show me how you know the only possible conclusion as to where it came from was Manbearpig? Do it without a computer model. Show us the real word evidence that CO2 is magically increasing to say even 3 degrees of warming per doubling and only that can explain the 1980s to 90s warming increase.

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

It would be a short one. It would show how CO2 can cause an estimate of around 1 degree celsius warming per doubling of CO2 providing there are no environmental positive or negative feedbacks. It would relate the well known truth explaining how that is not a crisis. Greenland would endure.

This is what I understand. Based on thermodynamics and radiative heat transfer principles alone, you should get about a 1 deg increase for a doubling of CO2. The problem is that we're still pretty much grasping at straws as far as modeling the feedbacks. The evidence shows that 1 deg is a pretty good indictor, but it seems to be a little lower in the Antarctic and significantly higher in the Arctic though. The Arctic seems to be the hardest hit region globally.